binding votes for the debt ceiling can sometimes be complicated. in previous aspects of american history, president reagan, president h. w. bush, president clinton all signed debt reduction deals. you have done this three times. four times was related to budget maneuvers. what many people are curious about is this new madam a desire on your part not to negotiate but that seems to conflict with the modern era of presidents with the debt ceiling and your own history. does that suggest we will go into a default situation because no one is talking about how to resolve this? >> no, major. getting votes for this is always difficult. i went through this and just last year. what is different as we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we begin within a few days of defaulting. the fact of the matter is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion with the notion is that we might default unless we get 100% of what we want. that has not happened. as i indicated befo